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Red-Light Cameras Just Don’t Work

Posted in Politics, Roads, Scandal, Traffic by Vito Rispo | August 18th, 2008 | 161 Responses |

Traffic Light Cameras - Scourge of the American Driver

Red-light cameras are designed to take a picture of a car’s license plate if the driver runs a red light. These cameras are popping up in city after city as officials theorize that if drivers know they’re being watched, they’ll be less likely to run the lights. But do they work? Or is it just another way to increase city revenue from traffic tickets.

Well, according to study after study, rather than improving motorist safety, red-light cameras significantly increase crashes and therefore, raise insurance premiums. In fact, the only studies that have shown any benefit to red-light cameras were either done by the IIHS…the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, or researchers funded by them. How very strange, don’t you think?
The most recent study revealing the truth about the cameras was done by researchers at the University of South Florida College of Public Health.

“The rigorous studies clearly show red-light cameras don’t work,” said lead author Barbara Langland-Orban, professor and chair of health policy and management at the USF College of Public Health. “Instead, they increase crashes and injuries as drivers attempt to abruptly stop at camera intersections.”

Comprehensive studies from North Carolina, Virginia, and Ontario have all reported cameras are associated with increases in crashes. The study by the Virginia Transportation Research Council also found that cameras were linked to increased crash costs. The only studies that conclude cameras reduced crashes or injuries contained “major research design flaws,” such as incomplete data or inadequate analyses, and were always conducted by researchers with links to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. The IIHS, funded by automobile insurance companies, is the leading advocate for red-light cameras since insurance companies can profit from red-light cameras by way of higher premiums due to increased crashes and citations.

Apparently, the findings have been known for some time. A 2001 paper by the Office of the Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives reported that red-light cameras are “a hidden tax levied on motorists.” The report came to the same conclusions that all of the other valid studies have, that red-light cameras are associated with increased crashes and that the timings at yellow lights are often set too short to increase tickets for red-light running. That’s right, the state actually tampers with the yellow light settings to make them shorter, and more likely to turn red as you’re driving through them.

In fact, six U.S. cities have been found guilty of shortening the yellow light cycles below what is allowed by law on intersections equipped with cameras meant to catch red-light runners. Those local governments have completely ignored the safety benefit of increasing the yellow light time and decided to install red-light cameras, shorten the yellow light duration, and collect the profits instead.

The cities in question include Union City, CA, Dallas and Lubbock, TX, Nashville and Chattanooga, TN, and Springfield, MO, according to Motorists.org, which collected information from reports from around the country. This isn’t the first time traffic cameras have been questioned as to their effectiveness in preventing accidents. In one case, the local government was forced to issue refunds by more than $1 million to motorists who were issued tickets for running red lights.

Great example of our government at work.

Heres the high brow economists bit:

Under our current democratic government, good laws (laws that benefit everyone) are a “public good” (their “producers” don’t receive enough of their value to make it worth the effort) and thus are under-provided; while bad laws (laws that benefit special interests at the expense of everyone else) are a “private good” (their “producers” receive most of their value) and thus over-provided. Just something to think about.

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161 Responses

  1. Suzanne Denbow says:

    In my hometown in Virginia, there’s a huge road called Independence Blvd that most of the traffic from the naval base has to travel on to get home. Because naval base traffic is thicker then NYC traffic [seriously, I shit you not], when Virginia Beach began getting stoplight cameras, Independence Blvd was naturally one of the first recipients. About a year after the cameras were installed, there was a huge article in the paper about the huge number of accidents resulting from people frantically trying to avoid ticket-by-camera. It was such a major problem, most of the cameras were disabled. The only function they serve now is to scare the stuffing out of freshly-licensed teenagers who aren’t aware they don’t work.

  2. Silence7 says:

    They’re in the process of installing what looks to be about 30 cameras (some may be flashes) about 3 blocks from my house. This is NOT an accident riddled intersection, but it is very busy, and the intersection leads directly into a state college, so it gets a LOT of traffic. 4 lanes in all directions. (2 coming and 2 going each) This is my way to work, which I will now be avoiding and adding another mile to my daily trip.

    They will not be getting $350 from me for rolling through a yellow, and I will not SLAM on the brakes to avoid a ticket.

  3. Richard says:

    Lights should also have timers on them, just like pedestrian timers. Then cars can dictate how much time they have and decide w heater to coast in or continue at current speed.

    • Glen Kyle says:

      There is! It’s called a no-walk light. When it displays dont walk; then you have got approx. 14 seconds before the light will change from green to amber. In the meantime you should be covering your break to reduce your reaction time and to slow for each intersection in an attempt to meet, not beat the amber light. Amber means stop remember!

  4. I’m not really sure how red light cameras increase crashes, but it is an interesting theory. In general, people just need to give more space and not tailgate!

  5. TH says:

    This article is complete bullshit. Accidents increase INITIALLY from idiots like hte editors of this site who used to blow through intersections on Red now realizing that they have to stop and getting rear ended. However, once people get used to them, virtually ALL studies have shown they they decrease after a couple months. And the accidents are smaller than before.

    But a site like ridelust can’t be bothered with giving FULL facts when they have their own agenda to push.

  6. robmo says:

    I agree with TH on this one. Don’t blame the camera. If people are slamming on their brakes to avoid a camera ticket that means they’re travelling too fast in the first place, not paying close enough attention, or both.

    If people actually obeyed the law, we wouldn’t need the cameras. And if the law is no good, then it should be changed.

    People always seem to get upset when a law that they ignore is enforced. Imagine the outrage if the posted speed limit could actually be enforced perfectly by technology…

    • clay davis says:

      “If people actually obeyed the law, we wouldn’t need the cameras” How about on your street then? Your porch? Your living room? The issue is that these cameras violate the 4th and 5th amendments of the Constitution. How much surveillance are you willing to endure for a false sense of security and safety?

  7. Mike in Santa Fe says:

    How to avoid accidents:

    1) Drive defensively
    2) Obey all traffic signs, speed limits and signals

    If everyone did that, we wouldn’t need traffic light cameras. But, since most drivers are jerks, we do need them.

    The alternative is to hire a traffic cop for every intersection in every city/town, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Municipalities don’t have that kind of money…so, in the interest of public safety, traffic light cameras have come into being.

    For you red light camera haters, just do your part to obey the law and encourage everyone do the same.

    • Camera Hater says:

      Obey the law or give me the money!Are you working for RedFlex or government?Private companies should not be allowed to use political influence or the power of the state to find “customers”!

      • Glen Kyle says:

        Pehaps sir; your attitude lends itself towards wan ton reckless abandon. Believe it or not; it is still considered a privilage to drive. One that earn every day; not just when you say so.

  8. Vito Rispo says:

    Hi TH
    I wrote the article. I took all the studies I could find into account. If you know of some that I missed, I would love to see them.

    Show me where you’re getting your facts, including all the studies
    that contradict the ones that I posted about, and I’ll print a full retraction and give you credit by name.

    I await your response.
    Thanks
    Vito Rispo

  9. TPR says:

    Why would more crashes, and more expensive crashes, for which the insurance companies have to pay, be good for them? Answer: it wouldn’t.

  10. Samhuk says:

    If they provide a moving violation ticket, then they are illegal in most states. There has to be an officer who whitnesses the crime (typically).
    On average, you have about one second for every ten miles an hour, eg. 40 MPH speed limit = 4 seconds of yellow light, and the camera should not take the picture if the light is yellow.
    In most cases, if they cannot prove it is you, they cannot ticket you.

    source:
    http://www.highwayrobbery.net/

    These lights cannot take the road conditions into account.
    They provide a blinding light that is very destracting and the most probable cause of accidents, believe me, they suck.

    These lights are easily defeted with IR technology.

    source:
    http://www.videojug.com/film/make-your-own-james-bond-license-plates-4

  11. Samhuk says:

    @TH

    Here is a link to an article from 2005. Seeing as it is from the Washington Post, I imagine it is good source material to contradict you statement.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/03/AR2005100301844.html

  12. TPR says:

    How would more crashes, and more expensive crashes, for which the insurance companies have to pay, be good for them? Answer: it wouldn’t.

  13. Don says:

    There are also other studies that have been done which show that increasing the yellow light time accomplishes what the cities are supposedly trying to do with red light cameras (decrease red light runners and accidents). Of course there’s no revenue in that.

  14. Jason says:

    Uhh… what are you talking about? One study versus 20…

    http://www.stopredlightrunning.com/html/research.htm

    A 2006 study of the red light camera program in Garland, Texas, found that crashes caused by red light runners decreased by 56 percent at intersections with cameras; crashes at intersections without cameras decreased by 38 percent. Injuries at the locations with cameras decreased by 27 percent, from 95 to 69 injuries.

  15. Maser Man says:

    Does not matter if they work or not, follow the money, stupid, it is just another way of taxing. The cities who install them get a great powerpoint slide show from the manufacturer, and the last slide just has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ all over it, FREE MONEY!!! Also many attorneys have taken cities to court for changing the interval of yellow to red by a few seconds to get even more dangerous red light runners off the road. A local intersection I must use every day is equipped with just such a camera and now I pull over and stop until it goes red then proceed to the light because it is at the top of a hill and you can’t tell how long it has been green, pretty sneaky bastards. Vote them out!!!!

    • Glen Kyle says:

      You mothers nick name must have been butter fingers as it appears she dropped you off the changing table one too many times. If you truly believe what you just stated the I truly feel sorry for you!

  16. Greg says:

    I am a fan of Red Light cameras. It is ridiculous here in Orlando the amount of red lights that get run. The test cameras at 5 intersection recorded over 10000 infractions a day. Every red light cycle in every direction of every test intersection was run by at least 3 vehicles.

    Part of the problem here is because of the heat, and the low paid leos, they would rather sit in their air conditioned cruisers then get out in the heat and do their jobs.

    It is common knowledge here that red light running is unenforced so everyone does it.

    The cameras will stop the flagrant disrespect for the traffic laws.

    The law maker preach safety as the motivation, but the true motivation is revenue.

    Did you know insurance companies check your credit? The better your credit the cheaper your insurance. The insurance companies studies have shown that people that do not pay their bills, are also bad drivers.

    Most people that don’t pay their bills on time can’t. Because they are poor.

    So just like the lotto, this is a way to get the poor to pay there share of the taxes. If you are poor and live in HUD housing, you don’t pay any property tax. So in a way your kids go to school for free. The homeowners pay the taxes.

    The lotto was created to get poor people to pay their share. And it works. The lotto money in Florida goes to the schools, and most of this money comes from the poor.

    Bad Drivers = Bad Credit = No Mortgage = No Property Tax Paid.

    They are going to pay know. All the traffic cams going up in Orlando are going on Da ‘hood.

    • Bradley Richards says:

      So just because you’re a racist that makes re ligh cameras O.K.?

    • BRANDON CARTWRIGHT says:

      greg you are a complete idiot. its odvious you are an employee of the city state or government. but that goes to show who they let into these jobs because the people working in them don’t even KNOW how to spell the the word now. look at the last sentence of your stupid post retard. get a life.

  17. Not As Dumb As This Guy says:

    “Lights should also have timers on them, just like pedestrian timers. Then cars can dictate how much time they have and decide w heater to coast in or continue at current speed.”

    Yeah real smart, so the driver can see he has 5 seconds to travel the 100 yards left to the light and speeds up to make it. That would mean safer travel, right? How about we put dragster lights too so we know before the light turns green? Idiot.

    You are brilliant. Didn’t I just try to pass you as you talked on the cell phone with your left blinker on as you went 55 in the far left lane?

    Grow a brain, moron.

  18. Justin says:

    It doesn’t surprise me in the least. I’ve gotten nicked a few times by red light cameras, and I am certain they have tinkered with the timing. And on each of those occasions, at least one if not more cars followed me through the intersection. If I had attempted to stop, I would have been rear-ended, possibly multiple times. The area in question (Rockville MD), has had the cameras for over a year now, so we’re well past TH’s ‘couple months’. Sometimes you just don’t have time to stop – that’s why we need real officers enforcing traffic laws so they can exercise reasonable judgement.

  19. bigduke says:

    Does anyone else have a problem with the out-sourcing of law enforcement for profit, which is what these red light cameras represent?

    Police Departments should never be a revenue stream for a community.

  20. G- says:

    HEY! I’m from Union City, CA. I HATE those things. I seriously have developed a fear of being caught by one of these cameras! When I approach a light that has been green I instantly get anxious and either pick up speed to make sure i make it or just make a turn instead. Sometimes I believe its actually safer to run an orange light if you have to stop suddenly but I guess I shouldn’t be thinking, or making my own judgement about whats safest for me.

  21. Jeremy Alton says:

    I agree, but I believe you miss the benefit.

    Rear end crashes are far less fatal than T-bone crashes. I’d agree that the NUMBER of accidents may rise, but the FATALITIES would fall. Personally, I’d much rather get hit from behind (where vehicles are engineered with much more protection) than get hit from the side in the intersection, where there’s only a few inches between me and the car going 40 miles per hour.

  22. GSH says:

    You don’t get a ticket if you are in the intersection when the light turns red. You only get a ticket if you enter the intersection if the light is red.

    Back in 2005 I was rear ended as I stopped for a red light. The guy claimed his brakes were shot. And his insurance had just lapsed. Luckily he eventually paid me the $900 in damage he caused, although it took a year of my having to call him every week.

  23. Unknown says:

    This is a interesting article, but I agree with the previous person that the source (“Ride-Lust) cant be held as credible. I find it interesting you said that a North Carolina study said crashes increased…..I have conducted such a study, and found that crashes did decrease. The only study flaw I had was that I needed more data in the after period. I am in the process of updating that study and have found that crashes have leveled back off (total, rear-end, and angle) to that of the before period, but that collision severities did seem to decrease over time. I also think it is hillarious that the person that wrote this article shows a picture of a video detection camera (probably ‘Opticon’ or ‘Autoscope’), which has nothing to do with red light cameras, but has stated that they have looked into all credible resources. How can someone claim to understand what they are reading about red light cameras that doesnt even know what one looks like!

  24. nordic says:

    Looking forward to the “full facts” from HT. Don’t let us down.

    Red light cameras are nothing but a huge tax on motorists. Research how much money villages are making from these cameras.

    Personally, I don’t appreciate having to pay $100 because some machine took my picture, sent it to some employee who works for the camera company, who then decides to send my information to the police because he thinks I look guilty. Cop looks at the picture, says “there he is, must be guilty” and mails off a $100 fine.

    Go to court and contest it, and the judge simply punches it up on her computer, asks if that is your car, and finds you guilty. There is no discussion to be had.

    That’s the process in a nutshell, and the village makes hundreds of thousands of dollars from it every year.

  25. Samhuk says:

    @Jason

    About Garland TX. Why report only the one side of the story? Your quote clearly states a difference in red light runner accidents, but what about rear end accidents? Have they gone up or down? If they have gone up, the cameras are not doing the job in preventing accidents, even if they help with red light runners. Fatalities aside, ( there is an increase in rear end accident fatalities after red light cameras in some areas http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/02/288.asp ), an accident is an accident. There is no point in stopping one only to cause another.

  26. It’s simple really: guilty until proven innocent is a principle enshrined in the Constitution. This shifts the burned of proof on the accused, as a picture could be taken completely out of context (how about a picture of the driver sitting at a red light due to a camera malfunction)?

    This is temporary IMO – we’ll see a class action lawsuit (justifiably so) soon enough and that will be the end of the revenue zones.

  27. Eric Gonzalez says:

    @Jeremy Alton – So you’re suggesting we should knowingly increase the number of non fatal traffic collisions because it *might*, just might drop fatalities?

    Seriously?

  28. Seth says:

    I live in Chattanooga, TN, and yes what they say about shortening the yellow lights is very true

  29. Warren says:

    It’s a pity this only refers to US, Australia have had them for over a decade in operation and there are a lot more studies avaialble than what has been detailed above, and in many countries. OK, red light cameras don’t overly reduce the number of people running the red light. They do bring in large revenues to the councils/states as a new form of income, and the cameras get great shots of people going through red lights and the opposing trucks going through green lights in the other direction. Some of them are faulty and take photo’s when they shouldn’t and they say they are working normally and the driver(s) have to take the government to court to prove otherwise. In Australia we also have a points system, collected for infringments, so running a red light would be 3 points from your lot, and a total of 10 points in a year and your license is suspended. In the overall picture, then repeat offenders are removed from driving on the road. However, If people stopped using mobiles, smacking kids, ignoring the road situation and driving drunk in the first place, then a few ‘accidents’ would be minor compared to the ‘stupids’ that cause crashes.

  30. Sarasota John says:

    Follow the money. Insurance companies compete on rates, but once you get a ticket for speeding or running a light, they can triple your rate and you cannot go to another company. That is why they support cameras and give away radar guns.

  31. Oregon Turtle Boy says:

    I Like Turtles!~

  32. BD says:

    If the vehicle T-boning you is traveling 40mph while you’re running a red light then they themselves are most likely braking the law. You shouldn’t be accelerating that quickly, and even then, that should only happen if you were actually running a red light, and as stated above, cities have been caught giving people tickets for going through yellow lights, which is not illegal.

    Personally, I agree that they shouldn’t be used in place of a human being. The traffic laws are in place to keep people safe and are situation dependent. An officer can technically pull you over and give you a ticket for going the speed limit in adverse conditions. In the end it all comes down to protecting the safety of yourself and others, and cameras can’t make judgements on these things. If they instead or also took video footage which could be reviewed by human beings then I would find them reasonable as long as each and every one was reviewed by a human being. If they can pay officers to sit out on the streets to watch for speeders they can also pay people to watch those records, since overall it SHOULD cost less.

  33. irspariah says:

    Death to American colonial furniture!

  34. David Hunter says:

    Maybe if people did not tailgate and speed, we wouldn’t have to worry about stopping abruptly at a light. If you are approaching a light and you fear you have to stop to abruptly, you are probably speeding. If you get nailed in the rear, then the person behind you is tailgating. There is nothing wrong with these cameras as long as city’s don’t decrease yellow light times just to make profits. I see people running red lights every time I am on the road and I would like to see these people caught as running red lights is dangerous. Also, a yellow light doesn’t mean you have plenty of time as most people seem to think, it means if you can stop you should. For some reason everybody wants to complain about law enforcement enforcing laws. Speed limits, lights, traffic laws, they are there for our protection yet nobody pays attention to these laws. If people did, we wouldn’t need these cameras.

  35. fthatnoise says:

    ““Lights should also have timers on them, just like pedestrian timers. Then cars can dictate how much time they have and decide w heater to coast in or continue at current speed.”

    Yeah real smart, so the driver can see he has 5 seconds to travel the 100 yards left to the light and speeds up to make it. That would mean safer travel, right? How about we put dragster lights too so we know before the light turns green? Idiot.

    You are brilliant. Didn’t I just try to pass you as you talked on the cell phone with your left blinker on as you went 55 in the far left lane?

    Grow a brain, moron.”

    Grow a brain? heh….

    Anyway in response to his theory on timers. I find that pedestrian timers actually help me gauge whether to slow down or continue coasting if I have time. But then again I’m a law abiding citizen. I do see that the timers could be used for people in a hurry and misused. I think it would benefit people who abide by the law, in that they won’t accidentally run a light.

    Judging by the comments of idiot and moron you made, I wonder if you are one of those road rage type people, who do speed up to get through lights to get to the next red one. You get all heated up from a suggestion, I’d hate to see you behind a wheel! Yikes.

  36. KBP says:

    For Virginia, the reason that they stopped using the intersection cameras actually had to do with a Virginia law which requires citations to be made in person, which defeats the purpose of using an automated traffic ticketing system. They did also a major traffic study, and found that while accidents caused by people running the red lights decreased in some cases (such as Holland Rd & Rosemont Rd intersection), they increased in the form of rear-end collisions (like in the case of Independence Blvd and Va Beach Blvd). So, the state basically decided to stop funding on them and prohibit their use unless a city or jurisdiction got a special exception, which most have not. I believe Arlington may be the one area that still has them in use in Virginia, but the ones installed do appear to still be in place, even if not in use.
    Link to a summary of the study, including the details about Virginia’s citation requirements:
    http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/news.asp?ID=117

  37. Burney says:

    Heh, I always though our yellows were short. I live in Union City, CA, and my mom recently got a red light flash ticket. It wasn’t even for running the red! Apparently, she was going “too fast to come to a full stop” to take a right turn on red, better known as a california roll. The flashes went off before she even turned/crossed into the intersection! She came to a full stop, albeit a hard one, then went. City isn’t hearing it.

    Ticket is $381. Another one for the City……

  38. Don says:

    1) Picture in article is not of a red light camera, but a camera used to detect traffic as a replacement to the ground loops being cut into the pavement.
    2) It doesn’t matter if the increased rear end accidents are caused by idiots or not. You’ve increased the accidents. Adding an extra second to the yellow light or extra second prior to switching lights reduces accidents. Increasing safety was the goal. Right?
    3) As the article pointed out many cities were caught with their hand in the cookie jar lowering the timing of the yellow below state recommend levels, and sometimes below to laws of physics. Once yellows were brought up to the state mimimum accidents declined as did ticket revenue. Dallas decided to keep its cameras even after they became unprofitable, otherwise the backlash from the citizenry would have been explosive.

  39. Burney says:

    *Comment for G from Union City*

    Taking a right turn isn’t safe, as the flash will go off if you are deemed to be going too fast to safely take the righ turn. and it’ll cost ‘ya $381….we’re still stinging from that one.

  40. KBP says:

    A BTW to my comment above- I used to work in Va Beach, Virginia, in a building on the corner of an intersection which had a red-light camera. In my own experience of what I saw everyday at lunchtime, I’d say that it did make drivers better behaved and run the red light less; and also it seemed to cause less backups within the intersection, since drivers didn’t want to be caught in it when the light changed and risk a ticket.

    That said, I went through that intersection multiple times a day, and did notice that the yellow light time was decreased. Maybe it wasn’t intentional, but on one side, it would go from green straight to red without even lighting up the yellow light at all. (Maybe just a bad light sequence program though.)

  41. Thanatos says:

    the picture in the middle is not a ‘red light camera’. It’s one type of photo-electric traffic sensor which is used to determine if a car is waiting and if the light should be cycled. These are replacing the old inlaid induction coils nationswide.

    Also, Virginia only had red-light cameras during an ‘evaluation period’ provided by a law which has reached its (built-in) expiration date.

  42. Pookybear says:

    It doesn’t make sense that red light cameras increase accidents, and you don’t explain the mechanism. You say “studies show,” but you don’t provide citations. Apparently you aren’t mentioning contrary studies. Or maybe every contrary study is “flawed” in your opinion.

    Frankly, I don’t believe you. Immature young men love to hate traffic cameras. But then, come to think of it, they tend to hate ALL authority figures, don’t they?

    You seem to suggest it’s better to run a red light than to risk getting rear ended. What kind of ridiculous logic is that? Listen to yourself!

    I’m happy to see red light cameras. The more the better. They are keeping me and my family alive.

    Funny thing… I have driven through a dozen camera intersections every day for several years and I’ve never gotten a ticket. (Never been rear-ended at a traffic light, either.) Why would that be? Maybe because I drive at a reasonable speed? Duh!

  43. Suzanne Denbow says:

    To KBP – I noticed the yellow lights were pretty rapid-fire too, and like you, I was also pretty much in favor of their use. I was actually pretty surprised when I read the “expose” in the paper because I had never personally witnessed any accidents caused by the cameras.

    And thanks [sincerely] for being so civil with your response, it’s definitely refreshing.

  44. Chris Taylor says:

    You just need to remember one little phrase when you goto court for a “camera ticket”

    Objection your honor hearsay.

    The officer on the stand did NOT witness what happened and there is NO proof that it even DID happen (can you see both you your position your plate and the LIGHT being red all in the same photograph?) Were you even driving?

    Its hearsay and inadmissible.

  45. John says:

    It should be 6 months in prison for bastards who jump lights.

    You are wrong admit it

  46. Don says:

    @Pookybear
    Perhaps the studies weren’t cited because we thought you knew how to use google.
    phrases to google

    University of South Florida Public Health redlight

    Councilmember Kim, the City’s main proponent, cites a lobbyist’s study (the Texas Research Board) as the sole source for “debunking” the multitudes of nationwide government and safety-institute studies which show rear-end collisions have risen anywhere from 8-81% where these programs have been implemented

    STOP! Running that red-light could be deadly!

    try any combination of keywords including “research” “study” and “redlight”

  47. G- says:

    @burney

    Believe me, I know all about the right turn on red ticket. You CAN contest it in court to have it reduced to $80 because its a right turn instead of going straight through. (because its like running a stop sign or something)

    My point was that I will rather slow down and approach the right turn instead of chancing the light turning red while i’m going to fast to stop.

  48. oprahress says:

    The foto-proofs are doctored. The camera contractor has driver(s) positioned ahead to stop and hold several following cars that are turning left at the intersec to make at least one driver got trapped in the red-light. Actually the trapped cars moved into the crossing to turn left when it was still green but the foto-proofs were fotoshopped. This happened in Ventura, CA.
    One camera-trap has been removed from Wilshire-Westwood intersec in L.A., Ca. Probably because a judge or his relative living nearby had been caught by those cams.

  49. Dannyboy says:

    @ The Author

    “That’s right, the state actually tampers with the yellow light settings to make them shorter, and more likely to turn red as you’re driving through them.”

    So what if it turns red while in the intersection? That doesn’t result in a ticket.

  50. Brian says:

    There is another source of crashes occurring because of these lights. That is when people pull down the sunshade to obscure their faces. These people are driving blind.

  51. Rumple Stiltskin says:

    The whole US transportation infrastructure is a scam — from soup to nuts — designed to fleece the poor, and enrich the elite. From selling cars, to gas, to tolls, to road taxes, to mandatory insurance, to traffic enforcement. Everyone should be walking (or riding bikes) instead, that’s the real truth of the matter. Then all this baloney would be an non-issue for the lemming masses.

  52. Rompecoglioni says:

    It happen to me in Germany, 25 yrs ago. Behind me was a big German truck “MAN”. When I approached the light, it changed fast and I slowed down. We were at 50 km hr. and barely stoped, but the truck didn’t make it and he had to pass me taking a very sharp turn. I agree, bad accidents can happen and here is not the drivers fault, are those greedy assholes that want to bring more revenue. This is Highway Robbery and I think they are liable to pay. Find a good lawyer and sue them.

  53. A. Magnus says:

    The people defending red light cameras here are most probably:

    1) Communists who love state power
    2) Government employees
    3) Employees of companies that receive contracts for red light cameras

    Some people can’t get enough regulations and Big Brother in their lives, apparently. If they didn’t have some thug in uniform telling them what to do and how to live, they probably couldn’t function outside of bed each day.

  54. Mosby says:

    The fact that they are using taxpayer dollars to generate more taxpayer dollars is disturbing, especially when that money could be better spent on things that actually benefit the taxpayer (better roads, schools, fire departments, et al).

    If cameras are such a great idea, then why do we need law enforcement??? The cost of just one camera could employee several additional police officers per year, then perhaps when seconds really count we wouldn’t have to wait the minutes it now takes to get help.

  55. Drew says:

    In Canada we have a yellow light between the green and the red lights. This gives the time necessary to either safely go through the yellow, or to stop before the light turns red. I’m in favor of red light cameras as it helps me to go through the green light, without waiting for the idiots running the red to clear the intersection.
    Now if only the drivers could figure out what that red octagon with “STOP” written on it means…..

  56. Bob Smith says:

    Anybody who comes to a site like this and makes posts in favor of red light cameras is an agent provocateur…only a fool would want more of his or her money going into the taxational black hole, when the end result would be even more bodily injury to themselves and their neighbors than they are already incurring via the murderous health care system, taser-packing police, and illegal wars…red light cameras are part of the elitist agenda to monitor everybody’s movements…but I know, I know – there are no conspiracies…Watergate never happened…rich people spend their free time sitting around dreaming up ways to give the money BACK to us…they don’t sit around dreaming up ways to take more of it from us…when you and I can set up cameras that monitor lawmakers’ (and rich people’s) every move, I’ll acquiesce to having my movements monitored…otherwise – no deal.

  57. Burney says:

    @G

    Gotcha…I’ve also heard the same from a couple other people, I think we’re definitely going to contest the ticket.

  58. Greg Ramirez says:

    I got a ticket on Christmas morning which was a Sunday. I was cruising along Sunset Blvd., not excessively speeding, but when I approached the intersection, the light changed to yellow and I thought I would make it. I was the only person on the road, so I didn’t even worry about trying to stop. Then I see the FLASH. The fine for the infraction seems excessive. It was $365 for the fine. Another $40 to the court to be allowed to attend Traffic School. Then another $24.95 to the traffic school.

    Now I can see using the cameras during rush hour traffic when people are often hurrying to get to work and will run red lights, but is the camera necessary 24 hours a day? Pedestrian countdown timers are replacing the old DONT WALK signs all over the city and I use the timers to gauge if the light is going to change, and it helps, but I noticed they haven’t installed the pedestrian timers at any of the intersections with the cameras. I guess they can’t have people gauging the light change and stopping in time. They would lose the money. Now whenever I approach a intersection with a camera and the DONT WALK sign is no longer flashing, I sort of freak out because I know the light is about to change but who knows when? I’m not speeding, but I don’t want to get caught. It messes with my driving psyche.

    Also, I’ve personally witnessed other vehicles running the red light and it doesn’t look like the camera is working because there’s no flash. When you get caught, there’s a big flash to let you know they got you. So, the cameras work sometimes and other times they don’t. It’s not consistent. Then I read in the paper that the city of Beverly Hills had not paid the bill to the company that maintains the cameras, so they were not operating.

    Finally the “right turn on red” privilege in California means you must come to a complete stop BEFORE making the turn. It doesn’t mean that you can make the turn as if you had the green light. I see people who barely slow down to look to the left to see if any cars are coming and they just go. They don’t bother looking to the right at all. They don’t know if a person is about to cross the street, or if someone on a bike is coming either.

    The “California Stop/Roll” applies the the intersections with stop signs.

  59. Alex says:

    One of the biggest complaints is that when these cameras are set up the amber (caution) light’s time is shortened so that it is very easy to catch a driver “running” a red light. In California the vehicle code says that the image must be “a clear image of the license plate AND the driver.” A copy of the picture is then sent to the driver with the citation. I know of one person who bought a vehicle a couple of years ago and kept on the sales paper on the window and never put on the license plates. She kept her car immaculate so it looked like a new car. This way if she happened to accidentally run a red light with a camera there was no way of finding her. Pretty smart lady, I must say.

  60. jim says:

    These cameras are all over Chicago. At night, cars trigger huge flood lights that light up the vehicle running the light in order to get a good picture of the plates.

    I apparently ran a red light when crossing a Chicago 6 way intersection (we have sections where 3 streets all merge with one at an angle to the other two). These intersections are impossible to navigate at 30+ miles an hour. I paid the ticket because protesting in Chicago is akin to arguing with the Mob.

    Needless to say, I am paranoid now and brake hard when lights change. I hate it. They enforce this but 6 cars can turn after a red with no problem in Chicago. Totally stupid.

  61. Patrick says:

    I would like to congratulate all of the mindless sycophants here who think that red light cameras are a great idea. It is quite gratifying to see that all of you are completely, totally 100% incapable of seeing what is going on. As your freedoms are stripped from you one at a time with every passing day, I would like you to know that it is people like you, who are not capable of seeing through the Matrix at any level, who are allowing this to happen. 1984 isn’t just the title of a great book — Orwell’s society is here now and has been here for a decade or more. Every surveillance camera that goes up, whether at a red light or on a public corner, insures that you will wind up slaves. Every unalienable right that disappears from your feckless grasp is a testament to your stupor. Congratulations on your unmatched abilities to laud your oppressors as you lick the spittle from their boots. You people deserve precisely what you are now getting and what is coming down the tunnel at you with a full head of steam as you laugh and say how wonderful it all is. As for me, give me liberty or give me death. I wash my hands of all of you.

    “Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither.” Benjamin Franklin, 1792

  62. Had Enough says:

    OK, here is a solution for all of you who hate red light cameras and what they represent and want to protect yourselves from fascist governments who think they own you.

    There are little devices sold by many different companies which cover your license plates and obscure the number when viewed from a substantial angle. They are made from a translucent material and when viewed from straight on, the number is perfectly clear. These plate covers render the red light camera, photo radar camera, or any other type of traffic enforcement camera ineffective. Since the cameras are generally photographing your plate from an angle, your number cannot be determined. If your plate number cannot be seen in the photo, you cannot be issued a ticket via camera. I have used them on my plates for almost ten years and have never had a problem.

  63. Art says:

    The ticket aspect of the red light cams is a cover story. They will issue tickets, but that is not their real mission. It is part of a Police State control grid, to track and control travel. Haven’t you noticed the change in demeanor of pigs country-wide? The tasers? The abuse? They are very slowly implementing what will become the most totalitarian society in world history. WAKE UP!

  64. neurolux says:

    We have these in L.A. I haven’t gotten a ticket from those cameras yet. I attribute it to the fact that I slam on the brakes the second the light turns yellow. It would be nice to have a warning light to tell me when the light is about to turn yellow, so I don’t risk being rear ended.

    The countdown pedestrian crossing lights help.

  65. Joe Blough says:

    Always drive with your sun visor in the down position. The cameras won’t be able to get a good snap of your face. And avoid having your front plate if you can.

  66. Patrick Sullivan says:

    If the fine is 0ver $20, you have the Right to a jury trial.

    At your first appearance Demand a jury trial if you think that you are right.

  67. albert says:

    hello! I live in Italy and we have a lot of red light cameras in our cities…all around the country cities have been sued for shortening the yellow

  68. cj says:

    John says
    “It should be 6 months in prison for bastards who jump lights.
    You are wrong admit it”

    Dude, NO ONE is saying its not wrong to run red lights. I was Tboned by a guy who deliberately ran a red light to keep up with a car he was following. What the author is saying is that red light cameras are a money making scam. There are all kinds of problems related to them such as the city shortening the yellow which DOES cause accidents, camera malfunctions wrongly ticketing people with no due process for those ticketed, and most importantly, the loss of hundreds or years of legal precedent of “innocent until proven guilty”.

  69. Mark says:

    Back in the late 90s, I once received a traffic ticket for running a red light in Fullerton, CA. As I was approaching the light, I noticed that it had turned red far too soon. Of course a police officer was hidden nearby to site me for the traffic violation.

    I told him that I thought the transition time from yellow to red was much too short and asked how I inquire about the timer settings. He told me to contact the city transportation office.

    Afterwards, I went back to the traffic light with my video camera and captured many transitions in order to have evidence of the timing.

    When I called the city transportation office, the department manager told me that I could request the timing history of that particular light but it would take some time to get that information.

    In the mean time, I went to the California department of transportation’s web site to find the legal minimum time for a traffic light located in a specific speed limit.

    It turns out that the timing of the light was set too short, and when I contested the citation, the judge ruled in my favor.

    I was quite satisfied with the decision, but it took a lot of time to build my case.

    It is outrageous that cities are doing this.

  70. People are stupid says:

    “How about we put dragster lights too so we know before the light turns green? Idiot.”

    Hey idiot, England has lights like that.

  71. [...] Paging the legislature. Paging the legislature. according to study after study, rather than improving motorist safety, red-light cameras significantly increase crashes and therefore, raise insurance premiums. In fact, the only studies that have shown any benefit to red-light cameras were either done by the IIHS…the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, or researchers funded by them. How very strange, don’t you think? [...]

  72. SomeOne says:

    Note that Springfield, MO has a 4 sec. cycle on their camera lights and 7 sec on the regular lights. Hmm… I wonder why?

    By the way, these lights are not generating enough to pay for their operation. The number of accidents at regular lighted intersections has not decreased overall – but the number at the camera locations certainly has.

    The camera locations are identified via signage. Maybe they should just put up signs?

  73. David says:

    Huh?

    Red light cameras work just fine. They are very reliable and accurate. The red light cameras didn’t change the cycle of the lights… corrupt officials did.

  74. JoeBoy says:

    Seems to me that the problem is not with red-light cameras, but rather with the abuse of yellow light timing.

    As someone who has come very close to being hit by red-light runners over and over again here in NYC, I am very much in favor of red light cameras – but the yellow lights have to be timed correctly and the cameras have to be set up fairly. I think they should be on every single lighted intersection.

    Here in Manhattan, drivers regularly drive through red lights as though they don’t apply to them. I’m not talking about catching the tail end of a yellow light and having the light change mid-intersection. I’m talking the light has allready turned red and the driver has an opportunity to stop but does not. I am a bicyclist, and use my bike in traffic to get around the city. I do not appreciate nearly getting killed by motorists who think they don’t have to stop for red lights.

    The problem is with the yellow light timing, not with the red-light cameras. If you don’t want to be ticketed at a stop light, there is a very simple way to avoid it: don’t stop it. and stop for yellow lights unless you are way too close to the intersection to hit the brakes.

    I drive too, and I’ve never had a single red-light ticket, I prioritize stopping for lights over just squeezing past them.

  75. JoeBoy says:

    Regarding rear-end collisions caused by red-light cameras, due to people slamming on the brakes:

    Most drivers do not treat yellow lights like they should. A yellow light means STOP IF YOU CAN. Which also means you should only continue on if there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that you can stop before hitting the intersection. Unfortunately most drivers treat them differently. Most people actually speed up when they see yellow lights, which is morbidly stupid.

    The fact is, if you are moving no faster than the speed limit, and you are defensive about your driving and stop when you can when you see a yellow light, you will never, ever run a red light or get a ticket for it. Nor will you be likely to get rear ended, and in the event that you do, the onus will fall on the person following you.

    Otherwise: the argument that the insurance companies are pushing red-light cameras on cities to increase accidents is intensely stupid. Insurance companies make money by collecting premiums far in excess of the amount of payouts they make for accident compensation. An insurance company that offers lower premiums and performs fewer payouts makes way more money than an insurance company that offers higher premiums and makes more payouts. You would have to be a complete moron to try and increase revenue at your insurance company by increasing accidents.

    The short term effects of red light cameras are probably going to yeild higher rear-end accidents, but that’s not because of the cameras – its because people don’t drive responsibly: most people follow too close and drive too fast and speed up at yellow lights. This is why accidents occur, not because some camera did or didn’t take your picture.

    Again, people shouldn’t be fussing with yellow light timing, but the real problem is that most people drive like total assholes.

  76. fleeg says:

    Lubbock took down their cameras after less than six months because rear-end accidents increased and the tickets were only a civil penalty (therefore 30-40% of the fines were ignored.)

    I can’t speak to the validity of the yellow-light shortening argument, but I find it hard to believe. For Lubbock, it came down to the cameras weren’t making enough money to pay for them to be in place. They had to make a certain amount of money before anything was kicked over to the city and in the first six months, I don’t know if the city received any revenue.

    The citizenry complained, the city looked stupid for having a $1.5 million dollar budget deficit and the whole thing was over and done with.

    http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/021508/loc_247128772.shtml

  77. Justin says:

    Sorry to say this, but your bias to way too obvious here as anyone could tell you that the main, and possibly only, reason red light cameras don’t work is because of the decreased yellow time. But your article doesn’t make it obvious. Instead, it tried to play out that red light cameras are inherently dangerous or something. Now, I don’t like them, either (although I hate speed cameras more), but please don’t post stuff that make us all look like bias, petrol-head retards, OK? If red light cameras were setup properly, how exactly would they make things worse?

  78. GOPaul says:

    Whether cameras work or not, running red lights (and stop signs) has become rampant in the Atlanta area over the last ten years or so. It used to be a rare event to see someone run a red light. It is now a daily occurrence. I see drivers on a daily basis run red lights and stop signs willingly and blatantly. They do not “roll through”, they do so with their foot firmly on the floor. These are often the same people who treat others on the road as mere obstacles or debris to be gone around. I see this as part of a growing cultural phenomenon where people are increasingly exhibiting blatant disrespect for their fellow man. Much like some of the people above who use the anonymity of the Internet to post insulting commentary.

  79. Dale says:

    To make more informed arguments for and against Red-Light Cameras visit http://www.TNLiberty.org for objective synopses of all the comprehensive studies. You can learn the essence without slogging through lengthy studies. Of course, if you want to read the originals, the links are there to follow. I particularly recommend checking:

    * Red-Light Cameras: The Good, The Bad, and The Uncertain
    * The Placebo Effect and Red-Light Cameras
    * RLCs: Engineering vs. Enforcement
    * Biasing RLC Studies

    And, under the TLA BLOGS menu on http://www.TNLiberty.org:

    * Excellent 2004 TX Study to Understand Red-Light Running
    * RLCs Do Not Guaranty Reduced Accident Rates
    * Compelling 2007 Compendium on Photo-Radar and RLCs

    See if that information yields some new insight that you can use to your advantage.

  80. alan says:

    If people jumping red lights get t boned could part of the cause be people anticipating the change to green on the other junction. The way to overcome all arguments is to have a longer period of red lights on all junctions then setting the cameras to flash a couple of seconds on red. there then can be no defence about the lights having just changed. The extra delay on the opposing lights giving a safer margin in case anyone does run a red light. Therefore anyone caught redlighting should have their licences revoked as the amount of time the red has been on means they have conciously and with forethought put peoples lives at risk. Attemted murder????

  81. Karl says:

    People would be advised to get used to the red light cameras and accept that wherever you live you’ll probably end up having the world become more like the silliest place on earth, Perth, Western Australia! See, here we’ve come to realise that it doen’t matter whether a motrist gets killed.. we know everyone makes a mistake at some point or another, but the Powers That Be have decided that a mistake should potentially cost you your life. It’s the cheapest and easiest way to remove bad motorists from the road.. Steel power poles in the middle of the roads with no barriers! Chicanes beyond the crest of a hill! U-turn locations in a dip in the road on a curve! Arbitrary speed zones and cameras wherever there’s a new speed change! Anything to make sure the probability of a simple mistake can be increased and turned into a fatality! Want more? Install roundabouts with limestone walls on main roads (on curves is best) and don’t install lighting! Put median strips between lanes in the middle of no-where (good for killing motorcyclists at night when they overtake.. surprise!) Change the direction of one way streets regularly! Narrow main feeder roads into congested areas to single lane (good to ensure anyone injured can’t be treated by an ambulance when an accident DOES occur). Street beautification – narrow city streets to single lane and provide stagger strips for the drunks to wander down at nigt (like median strips, but with the obstacle of trees for drunks to navigate) – when they fall off – bang! Very high, sharp edged weaving curbing on median strips is good too.. hit them, blow your tyre and tear loose the tie rod and you lose control of the car – you can take out other motorists this way too.. and bycicles who dare to ride near such will find themselves flung in front of cars when their pedals strike the very high kerbing on a down-pedal. Redevelop central locations and add new short feeder streets near busy intersections (within 50 feel is good .. right near a highway on/off ramp is best!) – this allows tensions to go through the roof in peak hour traffic, causing drivers to take risks after 20 minutes of waiting to enter traffic flow and when they do go, bang, you got another annoying driver off the road – permanently. Not good enough? Plant dense growing foliage on roundabouts and on median strips so children have to step onto the road before they can see approaching traffic.. even better, oldies on gophers stand NO chance of crossing such streets. Increase speeding fines, drop fines for driving on footpaths and driving on the wrong side of the road .. you can’t police these former offences with cameras anyway, and it sends the message to drivers that anything is OK as long as you do not speed. All this is a very cost efficient way to remove those pesky cars from the road without the fuss of courts.. and that’s a good thing, right? yeah!

  82. JC says:

    “… the huge number of accidents resulting from people frantically trying to avoid ticket-by-camera…”

    So what you’re saying is, the Government thought that motorists were careless, but it turns out that they’re actually just complete idiots.

    If you want to avoid ticket-by-camera, just DRIVE THE WAY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE ANYWAY, instead of driving like a moron all the time except when you think someone is watching.

    Bloody children.

  83. [...] Vito Rispo writing at RideLust.com: In fact, six U.S. cities have been found guilty of shortening the yellow light cycles below what is allowed by law on intersections equipped with cameras meant to catch red-light runners. Those local governments have completely ignored the safety benefit of increasing the yellow light time and decided to install red-light cameras, shorten the yellow light duration, and collect the profits instead. [...]

  84. Darin says:

    Just a note regarding the information about Springfield, MO and their reduction of yellow timers on some City intersection lights…

    Yes, it seems to be the case that the City of Springfield, MO did indeed shorten the yellow time on some 105 city intersection stop lights. However, they also lengthened the yellow timers on 136 of them. The stated reasoning for this was two-fold: (1) Those yellow timers that needed to be lengthened were extended to meet national standards, and (2) those that were shortened were previously so long, it was determined by City Engineers to actually encourage drivers to hurry up and try to make the yellow before they turned red, thereby causing more frequent and more serious (because they were going faster when impacts occurred) accidents.

    I’m not suggesting that you’ve been cherry-picking your figures, but with the above cited figures, perhaps you’d like to shorten your list of examples to just five?

  85. BoredQuiz says:

    redlight cameras are plain dumb i’ve seen people act plain crazy screeching to a stop at intersections with them.

  86. Suzanne Denbow says:

    @JC

    Of course you’re right, but I think you’re also highly underestimating the entertainment value of teenagers desperately trying to maintain their cool aloofness while furiously attempting to avoid a ticket.

  87. Brent Harding says:

    Red-light-cameras do work! Take cameras in Calgary, Alberta (population 1 million for those who have never heard of the city) red light cameras reduced fatalities in t-bone collisions at intersections with the cameras by 100 per cent and injury collisions by 50 per cent.

    Insurance companies want more collisions so they can raise premiums!??? That idea must come from someone who frequently drives under the influence because the logic is completely absent. More claims means more payouts which result in higher premiums. Are you saying that the insurance companies make money on volume!?

    Virginia had problems with rear-end collisions at intersections with cameras. In other words Virginia drivers tailgate too much, only a little less dangerous that running red lights.

    The problem with red light cameras is that most people don’t like being caught breaking the law. They think traffic laws are just guidelines. Tell that to someone who’s been killed by a driver who runs a red light.

    Check the images from those cameras, many of them are frightening.

  88. Vito Rispo says:

    This is from Cory Dotcorow’s new book, Little Brother:

    “It’s called “the paradox of the false positive,” and it’s a doozy.

    Say you have a new disease, called Super-AIDS. Only one in a million people gets Super-AIDS. You develop a test for Super-AIDS that’s 99 percent accurate. I mean, 99 percent of the time, it gives the correct result — true if the subject is infected, and false if the subject is healthy. You give the test to a million people.

    One in a million people have Super-AIDS. One in a hundred people that you test will generate a “false positive” — the test will say he has Super-AIDS even though he doesn’t. That’s what “99 percent accurate” means: one percent wrong.

    What’s one percent of one million?

    1,000,000/100 = 10,000

    One in a million people has Super-AIDS. If you test a million random people, you’ll probably only find one case of real Super-AIDS. But your test won’t identify one person as having Super-AIDS. It will identify 10,000 people as having it.

    Your 99 percent accurate test will perform with 99.99 percent inaccuracy.

    That’s the paradox of the false positive. When you try to find something really rare, your test’s accuracy has to match the rarity of the thing you’re looking for. If you’re trying to point at a single pixel on your screen, a sharp pencil is a good pointer: the pencil-tip is a lot smaller (more accurate) than the pixels. But a pencil-tip is no good at pointing at a single atom in your screen. For that, you need a pointer — a test — that’s one atom wide or less at the tip.

    This is the paradox of the false positive, and here’s how it applies to terrorism:

    Terrorists are really rare. In a city of twenty million like New York, there might be one or two terrorists. Maybe ten of them at the outside. 10/20,000,000 = 0.00005 percent. One twenty-thousandth of a percent.

    That’s pretty rare all right. Now, say you’ve got some software that can sift through all the bank-records, or toll-pass records, or public transit records, or phone-call records in the city and catch terrorists 99 percent of the time.

    In a pool of twenty million people, a 99 percent accurate test will identify two hundred thousand people as being terrorists. But only ten of them are terrorists. To catch ten bad guys, you have to haul in and investigate two hundred thousand innocent people.

    Guess what? Terrorism tests aren’t anywhere close to 99 percent accurate. More like 60 percent accurate. Even 40 percent accurate, sometimes.”

    The Point?
    Anyone claiming these red light cameras reduce t-bone accidents by 100%, or 50% (BTW, Calgary t-bones have gone down by 43% not 100%), you have to first know how many accidents were happening in the first place. If there were only 10 accidents from people running red lights, and they’ve been reduced by 4 accidents….is that worth the 3.7 million dollars a year that they take from motorists who get ticketed because of them? No, it’s not. Those statistics are the illusion of quality. Red Light Cameras are a waste of resources and pure robbery of the good citizens of whatever city is unfortunate enough to have them.

  89. safelight sucks says:

    Not all of these cameras work properly, and I am a proven
    victim of these stupid cameras in Texas. Even the pictures on the web
    prove that I made a complete stop at a red light. My brake lights are on,
    I am behind the white line, my signal light is on and then I turn. It also said
    I was going 17 MPH through and it was a clear day. BUT IT WAS RAINING
    AND THE PICTURES DON’T LIE WHAT HAPPEN! YET THEY STILL MAILED ME A TICKET FOR MONEY. NOTHING BUT ILLEGAL CROOKS FOR MONEY. MAYBE I SHOULD SUE FOR HARASSMENT.
    SAFELIGHT CAMERAS IN TEXAS SUCK!

  90. Brian says:

    I can tell you how they create more accidents.
    Yesterday while driving toward an intersection with red light camera, a car saw the light turn yellow and immediately stopped in the middle of the intersection. This car blocked 2 lanes of traffic, the vehicles behind had to also stop quickly and then the car wanted to back up to the stop line, as he was blocking traffic – all because he was fearful the light may turn red while he was traveling. He entered on the green as it turned yellow – but only noticed the yellow then slammed on his brakes.

  91. Glenn Spradley says:

    After receiving my Red Light Camera Ticket in Fullerton, CA, I wrote the Fullerton City Council that I was boycotting all of their business establishments as long as they have these lights. I spent several thousand dollars in Fullerton Business establishments last year. Fortunately I can shop nearby in Cities that have no Red Light Camera Enforcement without much difficulty. If more people would do this maybe they would get the message. They are losing more Tax money from me than the Fine they are receiving.

  92. Roger Grimsby says:

    1 question… who the heck intentionally wants to run a red light and get T-boned????? Lets be real.. we are talking seconds here… the seconds that go by because since the invention of the traffic light.. there’s no way for a motorist to know how many seconds it takes for the light to change from yellow to red. Ever been behind a truck on a hill in traffic going through an intersection where you can’t see the traffic light only to get into the intersection and realize the truck went through the yellow and now it’s red? Ever been traveling on a really slick road and have the light change from green to yellow.. and not know if you have enough time to brake safely without skidding because you have no idea how quickly the light will turn red? (Of course while traveling at the proper speed limit and not tailgating anyone, for all you excuse makers) Ever been driving on a snow covered street and had a light change and you slide into the intersection? I could go on.. and on for days about things that happen that could have caused me to get a ticket.. and some things that have caused me to get a ticket. Not during any one of those tickets i received was i trying to intentionally run a red light and get my only car totaled. I think a timer on the yellow and an increased wait from red to green would eliminate almost all the accidents that do occur.. for a heck of a lot less money to the local municipality… (remember .. this is just for high traffic areas.. not every traffic light) but then … that wouldnt keep the millions rolling in .. in the form of unjustified tickets. Oh.. and we could pay for the timers with the proceeds from the selling of the cameras :)

  93. [...] that the cameras actually caused more accidents at those intersection they were installed in (see: Red-Light Cameras Just Don’t Work) A good website to view these and other information is The National Motorists Association Website [...]

  94. [...] …  they don’t. ALL of the links I have looked at suggest  …  they increase intersection accidents. Course, that begs the question   … why install them?  Easy.  A very attractive way for [...]

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  96. Elise says:

    The photos ARE doctored. I was driving with my mother as passenger, and went through a yellow light in the San Fernando Valley, CA. My mother is a back-seat driver and does not let me get away with anything. She, too, said the light was yellow. The photos showed that the light was red before I entered the intersection . I am an HR Director with high ethical standards. How do you fight something like this? I am willing to join any team to protest or ???

  97. John Z says:

    Whether or not you are guilty of running the red light misses the point. These tickets are essentially charging our cars with moving violations. Using the same legal logic, if I get cited for speeding (via camera) while driving a friends car, the owner of the car is responsible for the offense. Proving the drivers identity via snapshot is never without reasonable doubt. Not to mention violating our 6th amendment right, guaranteeing our right to face and to question our accuser. Can a video camera be questioned under oath?

  98. Joe says:

    A good idea would be to have a timer at every intersection. Decision making would be so much easier. When i went to Dominican Republic they had them there. The unorganized traffic over there is ridicules. So why don’t we have them here?

  99. Mitchell says:

    im nuts with big nuts, i love saying that XD,

  100. God says:

    These things are just plain wrong. They definitely do increase danger at intersections. Sometimes I have stopped when the light has been green for a while just because it could go yellow and then red very quickly due to the tight timing they used to get heavy fines. Fine here is over 400 USD. That’s ridiculous.

    Today, Christmas, I entered intersection on a green. It was very clearly green. And stayed green and the camera took a picture. Maybe it went yellow when I was in the intersection. I don’t think it went red. But it still took a picture. That’s ridiculous.

    The way to increase safety is simply to adjust the timing. The opposite side should not go green until the side that gets a red has had a red for at least two or 3 seconds. If there are cameras it should only take a picture when someone has entered an intersection on a red light that has been red for at least 2 to 3 seconds. And the fine should be very small. Under 50 USD

    However, I am definitely not in favor of these cameras, they are simply using technology to catch very minor mistakes, if at all, of normal human behavior. And citing people with outrageous fines. It is highway robbery. Nobody intentionally runs a red light, that is simply dangerous and probably rarely genuinely happens. Sometimes people may enter an an intersection when a light just goes red due to misjudgment of timing which is normal as a human.

  101. doug says:

    Rice University recently concluded that there were more accidents at intersections were cameras are installed. Cinninatti, OH just passed an amendendent to remove all cameras from intersections. Did this require siginatures to enter this on last Novembers ballot?

    I live in Toledo, OH the cameras got me twice for speeding thru a intersection to beat a red light.

    doug

  102. Joseph Platnick says:

    2/23/09
    You say that drivers make short stops and accidents are caused where cameras are involved.
    What about where cameras are not involved?

  103. Rick says:

    All traffic lights have a delay between one light turning red and the other turning green. If your light turns red, there is usually at least 1/2 a second before the other car gets a green!

  104. Elliott says:

    What happens if you are not driving and you lend your car out to a friend and a traffic cam views your car running a red light and sends you the ticket? I have never been in that sitution, but I wonder will the ticket be renamed to the one that broke the law?

  105. rachael says:

    Get even, if there is no camera, no cop, and no traffic so you don’t hurt somebody, RUN THAT LIGHT

  106. joseph bellia says:

    A week ago my wife, a nurse, got a green lite to go, she looked both ways, then stopped, while three cars going at full speed ran thru the red light. Had she gone thru the green, she would have been broadsided buy one or two cars with dire consequences. We’re in Pittsburgh, PA and the local police informed me that the only “first class” city in PA authorized to use the red light cameras is Philly. The postings on this site are very interesting, but the bottom line is: how does the responsible motorist protect him/herself at busy intersections? You cannot have a cop at every one, so what is the answer???

  107. awaite220 says:

    Frequently, it is assumed that law enforcement agencies are behind these cameras. While law enforcement generally administers the camera enforcement programs, remember it is the governmental bodies that decide whether to implement them or not.

    Attached is an article, written by a police officer and found on a law enforcement website (www.lawofficer.com) that offers an interesting perspective from the point of view of a cop.

    http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Wasilewski/red_light_cameras.html

    Sincerely,

    A. Waite

  108. Citizen Kane says:

    The following can be useful in any US city.

    1. There is a Federal Dept. of Transportation law that ALL yellow lights must have a minimum 3 second duration. This duration INCREASES with higher speed limits posted on the street where a red light and a camera is located, and also increases depending on the grade of the road. A traffic light on a steep hill road SHOULD have a longer yellow light than one on a level road given the same posted speed limit.

    2. In New York City the city speed limit is 30 MPH and ALL yellow lights on level roads should have a MINIMUM 3 second duration.
    THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN ALL RED LIGHT CAMERA LOCATIONS.
    Perhaps this is due to a faulty timing mechanism, BUT MOST LIKELY the yellow lights have been rigged to a less than 3 sec. duration to cause more drivers to run thru a red light, and get their photo taken by the camera. The city makes A LOT of money that way along with the private contractor who installs and operates the camera.

    3. Next time you get a red light camera fine in the mail, go to the intersection, use your cell phone’s stopwatch function and TIME THE YELLOW LIGHT. Do that about 5-10 times and average the results. ALL the timings, as well as their average, should be MORE than 3.0 seconds.
    IF NOT, that’s an illegal yellow light and NYC is essentially ROBBING YOU.

    4. There is a 100% chance that even if you document this and go in for a hearing YOU WILL STILL BE FOUND GUILTY AND HAVE TO PAY because the city will CLAIM that AT THE TIME the photo was taken the light was operating properly.

    5. NOW if you REALLY want to defend yourself against an illegal yellow light, OR YOU SIMPLY WANT TO THROW A MONKEY WRENCH into the system: FILE A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION LAW REQUEST – FOIL -with the New York City Dept. of Transportation requesting ALL maintenance records and light timing adjustments and benchmark tests and any other defect corrections done to that light for the period of time that you are interested in. The longer your request the more NYC DOT will have to dig and chances are you’ll get some data to help in your defense (an unusually high # of repairs in the X number of months before you got your photo taken, for instance). Now, IF there is a record that the light timings were adjusted soon after your photo was taken, you have a very good case of a defective light and possibly avoiding the fine.

    NOW, IF EVERYONE WHO GOT A PHOTO AND A FINE DID THIS it would cost the city much more than the fine. Complying with LOTS OF FOIL requests is time consuming and requires a lot of manpower.
    File your FOIL request with the:
    Litigation Support
    New York City Dept. of Transportation
    55 Water Street
    New York, NY 10041

    6. This is really the only way to defend yourself against being robbed by the city and its red light camera contractors.

    7. TRAFFIC ENGINEER studies have shown that increasing the yellow light duration by just half a second above its minimum causes a DRAMATIC DECREASE IN RED LIGHT RUNNING to the point in many cases of making the installation, maintenance, and operation of these cameras uneconomic.

    A simple google search will provide a wealth of information on yellow light duration and its ILLEGAL manipulation by cities and contractors across the USA to entrap motorists and raise revenue.
    RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE REALLY A REVENUE SCAM CONSIDERING THAT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT LENGTHENING THE YELLOW LIGHT DURATION DRAMATICALLY REDUCES RED LIGHT RUNNING AND IS THEREFORE MUCH SAFER FOR ALL INVOLVED.

    WRITE TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATOR AND DEMAND A LAW INCREASING YELLOW LIGHT TIME DURATION. REVENUE SCAMS BY NEW YORK CITY AND OTHER CITIES WILL STOP THEN.

  109. [...] by counterweight, another set of experiments is done, this time with red light cameras. These cameras, we learned, actually increase the number of [...]

  110. wbf says:

    I agree, this article is BS!!!!!!!!!!!
    People tailgating and generally not paying attention are responsible for the rear end accidents. All the studies in Missouri show traffic accident related injuries and fatalities are substantially reduced once the cameras are in place. Besides, what would you rather have, a rear end collision at 10 miles an hour or a deadly t-bone accident at 40 mph?

  111. ziggy says:

    I was ambivalent toward red light cameras until a recent event.I tend to be a very careful driver with an almost reflexic slowing on a yellow light. While driving on Wilshire Blvd(Beverly Hills) with my wife at 6am on a holiday morning, my car was the only one on the street. The yellow light flashed on while I was a relatively short distance from the Whittier intersection and I proceded across at the same speed(approx.
    35mph).I saw no red light because the yellow one had recently appeared.About 20 ft. past, I remarked to my wife that I saw a flash,and she stated that the yellow light had just turned on.
    Needless to say,I was surprised to find a ticket in the mail for $435.The only explanation was the computer had considerably shortened the yellow light, and I believed I would explain the situation to rational people at the Beverly Hills Courthouse and have my say in court.BIG MISTAKE!!!!! A uniformed guard kept yelling at me to move this way and that way while I moved through the metal detector, and when I finally reached the clerk’s office to apply for my “not guilty”plea,I was constantly remanded to “keep the line moving”.All the clerks appeared to be scolding the people and mine was no exception.She spoke 100mph and offered no explanation as to the routine. She really exploded when I made out the bail check(yes-you pay in advance) to the City of Beverly Hills instead of L.A. County as if I should have known better.Well-a few rude people, but the judge,a presumed college graduate with a law degree would behave better. A few weeks later, I returned to the esteemed Beverly Hills Courthouse with a positive attitude that I’d have a pleasant day in court.BIG MISTAKE!!!!
    I met another guard at the metal detector more spastic than the first.
    This time a sound kept ringing even after I emptied every bit of metal I carried. When I explained I had no metal in my body I was told to keep quiet and move away. Well, after 9/11, people get nervous. A second
    guard checked me out with a metal detecting wand and found nothing.
    I helpfully offered to remove my belt,but they didn’t like the idea. Miraculously, I passed the detector with no further sound. I was then told to quickly collect my things and move along.The second guard told me to “have a nice day” which restored me to believing that I was dealing with humans. When I reached the area of the court,a number of disgruntled people,each complaining how they were screwed,had been congregating.Each had a valid excuse for the judge.Now, a large member of the Sheriff’s Dept.,brandishing a large holstered gun appeared and lectured to us about proper decorum.This I actually respected,except he,too,seemed very nervous.Later when a police officer was showing me my video,this same member of the Sheriff’s office told me to move away from the officer’s gun because it was making him nervous.I became doubly nervous, but simply smiled.Then entered a second,younger officer,neatly dressed and a bit too pleasant,carrying a large packet of forms constituting their copies of the citations and photos.He explained to us how he was an expert in red light cameras,with much experience and knowledge,and made it quite clear that we would be no match to him in any form of rebuttal.
    He also gave us a tip in dealing with the lady judge—don’t call her ma’am, and be concise.”Your honor” is the only response and with humility.Finally entered the judge,and I’ll reserve my feelings. The “dog and pony show” began and it became evident that you stood a better chance fighting a dozen Komodo dragons than getting a “no guilty” decision from this damsel. I watched all these previously confident appellants quake before “the godess” and plead guilty with a request for Traffic School. Over 40 simultaneous guilty verdicts,either by changed pleas or judges verdict ensued.When my turn came,and for some idiotic reason known only to God ,I foolishly attempted to convince “her majesty” that I made the correct decision on an obviously shortened yellow light and an empty street that to hit the brakes suddenly could have injured my seat belted wife and accomplished nothing positive. The camera indicated that I was .2seconds into the red light!! For this “her honor” rewarded me by not only finding me guilty but not allowing me to attend Traffic School
    thereby further enriching my insurance company and putting me another couple of grand in the hole.(I am presently negotiating with them)..I therefore have a few recommendations to any of you who live here:
    1) DO NOT GO NEAR THE BEVERLY HILLS COURTHOUSE-
    It is an insane asylum and there is no chance in Hell you’ll benefit.
    2) If you’re unlucky to get a red light ticket, unless you’re not the driver,pay the fine over the internet and request Traffic School and consider yourself ahead..I’m afraid one of those nervous gusrds or deputies will kill some innocent person by mistake one day.
    3) If you live in the area, learn the location of these cameras and try to avoid them. Beverly Hills is not a big city and you can usually avoid these cameras without much inconvenience.If you have to encounter one you can safely avoid a ticket by checking the adjacent pedestrian sigh while the green light shows .If it says walk,
    you’re safe; if it is blinking(and usually showing diminishing seconds)
    gradually slow and when the yellow light appears, you’ll be able to make a gradual and safe stop.The fellow behind you should appreciate you.
    4)Finally,we must admit that there exists in Los Angeles
    a number of horrible drivers that should have their licenses revoked
    and be off the streets.Also, the police who ripped me off in this case have a difficult time dealing with the large number of human animals
    out here. and I always respect our police and firemen.Their salaries don’t equal the risks they take,and although its humorous,none of these men and women that work for the city of Beverly Hills can afford to live there.
    So if the money I lost somehow slightly improves the coffers of the state
    of California(in the worst financial shape in years.) I can gather some solace.

  112. nick says:

    How far over the line do u have to be for it to take the pic bc I was barley over bc I was turning right and it flashed a pic?

  113. liz says:

    I used to not care if cities used these cameras or not… but i got a ticket today. I’ve never had a ticket in my life!

    I turned right on a red, at 9:53 pm at night. I would not have turned right on red if I saw a sign, so I should not have been ticketed

  114. vince says:

    I think there a damn shame, it’s NOT going to stop the few accident’s that come from people running them. When people do that they do so because they forget them and quick yellow change times. You dummies that support such a scam all in the name of “safety” scare me (if your regular citizens that is) Because of people like you were loosing our freedoms every single day and now heading for communism. That college professor blinded you to “reality”. So please by all means open your damn eyes Atlanta Ga. took everyone of them OUT. Because of this very reason here oh and along with the bad traffic problems they got already they don’t need 30% increase in rear endings on top of it! LOL

  115. James says:

    -Quote-
    “Lights should also have timers on them, just like pedestrian timers. Then cars can dictate how much time they have and decide w heater to coast in or continue at current speed.”

    Yeah real smart, so the driver can see he has 5 seconds to travel the 100 yards left to the light and speeds up to make it. That would mean safer travel, right? How about we put dragster lights too so we know before the light turns green? Idiot.

    You are brilliant. Didn’t I just try to pass you as you talked on the cell phone with your left blinker on as you went 55 in the far left lane?

    Grow a brain, moron.
    -End Quote- (by ‘Not As Dumb As This Guy on August 20, 2008 at 3:30 pm’)

    What the hell man? You must love calling people stupid. The timers on light have been installed on traffic lights in other countries instead of having a yellow. From what I have heard, they seem to be more effective. As a suburbanite, I am not used the the very short yellow lights they have in the city. I would much rather prefer a timer telling me exactly when a light turns red instead of this yellow at a moments notice. Though, I would imagine it would take a little more thought. All in all, I think it may confuse the populous more than it’s worth and cost a lot of taxpayer money. Therefore, I would be against it in the long run.

    It really pisses me off when I see someone blindly calling people idiots. Please back up your theory a little more. There is no need for an outright attack like that!

  116. rodzli says:

    I got two red light camera tickets in one month, at the same exact spot, except i made a right turn on red. That second ticket i defenetly made a stop and the camera still shot a picture. I am so confused, and i definetly can not afford an attorney that wants to charge $950 to help fight it. i dont think i should be charged $ 500. for a red light ticket. I never ran that red light, possibly the first ticket i might have rolled through the right turn, but like one of the comments said, it should not be cited as a full red light ticket.

  117. Joe says:

    There is a simple and valid reason why people have rear-end collisions at lights. Unless you are the myopic type, when you drive, you look beyond the car in front of you. When you reach a yellow light, your brain makes the subconscious calculation of whether the car in front of you will go through and therefore whether you should or not. If you believe the car in front of you will stop, you stop. If you do not, and you also believe you can make it, you do not stop. Very simple, very true. The problem comes in when you believe you should go and the guy in front of you does not and slams on his brakes. Not only are you not expecting that but it is a sudden event. You may even be accelerating when he jams on the brakes…and bam, an accident. You can grouse all you want about people needing to leave more space, but drivers who do odd things (like stop when they are not supposed to) are a major cause of accidents.

  118. Joe says:

    I got one of these dumb tickets too. I missed the light by 0.3 seconds. I was so close to the light when it changed, I couldn’t even see it through the roof of my car (I’m tall, so I don’t have a good line of sight upward.) It was a Friday evening, I was tired, the intersection was empty and I made the wrong judgement on the yellow time (who picks these absurd yellow times…like 3.42 seconds? Seriously.) The stupid city of Dallas would not dismiss it. They didn’t give one flip about the circumstances. A policeman would have let me off with a warning, but not the people behind these cameras. That’s not right. We shouldn’t be subject to punishment via some device. We’re humans; we should be dealt with by other humans as humans.

  119. Nicolette says:

    I’m a tv news producer in Los Angeles looking for someone local (Riverside countey, Ventura county, Los Angeles county, San Bernardino county or Orange county) who has been Rear Ended at a Red Camera Intersection OR rear ended someone who abruptly stopped when they saw the red light camera.
    Please contact Nicolette
    818-655-2441

  120. Joe says:

    In Fullerton, I’ve seen so many drivers freak-out when the light turns yellow because they don’t want to get a ticket. I’ve also noticed that the yellows seem conspicuously short. Also if running a red is such a travesty to society, shouldn’t society benefit from the excessive fines by having the money returned to the citizens? No way, that money gets soaked up in the bureaucracy. What about when cops violate the traffic laws, and I’m not talking about those in pursuit or response to a call, but those who just “enjoy” their authority a little too much. They should lose their jobs, pension, and be fined 25 times that of a citizen.

  121. This is very helping to me and other young drivers around town

  122. Laura Chapman says:

    This is what we should of done a long time a go!!!

  123. Mike says:

    You have the power to decide the fate of your city.

    RLCs were installed in College Station, TX. Enough signatures were collected to put this issue on the ballot at the next election.

    The citizens voted to BAN the cameras, and the City took them all down. Government likes to be in control. We as citizens have a duty to make sure our representatives are truly representative of our ideals.

    This is America. I say no thank you to anything that resembles Big Brother.

  124. R. Scott says:

    I just got a ticket in the mail for making a right hand turn. The police officer viewing the video determined that I broke the law. Are they going to start sending tickets in the mail if they see you spit on the street, J-walk, or finger the camera, what’s next? This is ridiculous, and obviously just a money making venture. I for one will not return to Lynnwood, WA and spend any more money in their precious little town, Thank You.

  125. Todd says:

    These make little sense to me. If you receive a speeding ticket or are stopped by an officer, the individual is ticketed. These pre-suppose that the person who is driving the automobile is to whom the person the car is registered. So essentially you are convicting based on a license plate. That means that if you car were borrowed, stolen or driven by someone else than the registered individual, the registar would be liable. Makes little sense as it seems violative of law. The same argument should be sound of someone in your car kills a passerby while you sat at home. Should you be convicted of vehicular homicide? It makes little sense to me. I see the benefit but I think it’s merely a poor substitute for patrols.

    Should we put cameras in everyone’s home as a prevention to robbery?

  126. L H says:

    I live in Tennessee and I reside in a small county outside of Nashville. On a Friday evening 3/19/2010 at 6:30 p.m., I came upon a camera light and once the light turned yellow, I hit my brakes in the middle of the intersection out of fear of running the red light. While in the middle of the intersection, since there was no traffic, I backed up in the middle of the intersection since the traffic behind me stopped and could see me backing back. I immediately called the city and the operator connected me to a officer. I left a voicemail on the officer’s phone describing what happened and if I would be receiving a ticket. I’ll keep you posted on the outcome.

  127. Barbara says:

    These cameras are snapping photos without a violation!

    I believe they are wrongfully running peoples’ license plates and it’s an invasion of privacy.

    111th/Roberts Palos Hills Ill there is one by Stagg HS. I was behind the white line the light was red. I did not make the right on red cause people are getting ticketed for this. It snapped a phot of my license plate.

    Yesterday 95th/Roberts Rd/Hickory Hills IL I had the green arrow so I went. Again it snapped pics of my license plates.

  128. Debra says:

    If anyone thinks that these red light cameras are here for our protection than they had better think again. It`s just another way for them to generate revenue. My husband received a red light ticket and paid it now someone here in League City Texas has won a court case saying that the yellow light was too short so now a few of us will get refunds, Thank you sir!

  129. sneakz says:

    thanks so much! this helped alot on my reserch for my persuasive paper in grade school dont type or spell well =D

  130. Chris says:

    It’s probably also worth mentioning where Virginia is concerned the legislation that was passed to legalize the use of red light cameras doesn’t completely legalize them if you’re in the know. The citation you get is still not legally enforceable unless it is served in person. The law grants the municipality permission to “try” and collect by mail but states that the defendant cannot be penalized for ignoring the citation.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-968.1

  131. [...] Big Brother devices that are spreading over the landscape. Independent studies (see here, here and here) have shown that stoplight cameras actually increase the frequency of accidents at intersections [...]

  132. [...] At least they weren’t pretending that red-light cameras are for safety. (They’re not.) [...]

  133. Clau says:

    I was with my mother and my sister-in-law driving on North ave and Gary ave Carol Stream,IL I was on the intersection on yellow when turn red and the flash came up,I received a ticket;but when you see the video “Oh my God! ” I cross a minute after was RED.They say to you watch your video : you can’t see the real time in the lights changing,you can’t see the license plate of your car and the photos are on very different angle,also you can not see the video on a full screen,Why?; you can’t read even the named of the “officer ” who’s review your video and decide you got a ticket.But if you go to contest they say the video doesn’t lie,everything is on film!!!!!!

  134. Michael says:

    My beef has to do with the fact that in certain cases the issuance of a ticket – as the result of a camera – while perhaps technically correct by law, does not necessarily reflect real life practice of the law as enacted by police officers.

    I recently got a very expensive ticket for moving (quite slowly) through a red light on a right turn (where a right turn on a red light is legal) as a result of a camera.

    Yes, since then I have read that the law requires a complete stop at a red light in that instance. However, since then I have observed the behavior of other drivers (as well as my self). In observing my own behavior I realize that during 30 years of driving – that I do indeed come to a full stop at a red in many instances – always (in fact) if there is not a clear and unimpeded view of oncoming traffic.

    However, when there is a clear and unimpeded view, in which there is no oncoming traffic, I have more often than not allowed myself to slowly move through that red light without coming to a full stop.

    Perhaps more importantly to any argument I might make, is the fact that I have observed (since receiving that ticket) that this is typical of the majority of the drivers that I have observed.

    I have never received a ticket from an officer for doing this, nor have I observed an officer issue a ticket to anyone else who has done this in a case when there is no oncoming traffic and it is obvious that the driver making the right hand turn has a clear and unimpeded view, and there is no oncoming traffic.

    It seems to me that the issuance of violations, as a result of cameras, should be consistent with real life practice of the law.

  135. how says:

    try this sick additional story – as a teacher, i serve dallas at its worst accademically acceptable school, au5 and closing, thrown there without request nor interview due to racism in administration in disd, a school where a police officer was shot in the head and killed last year. so i drive twice as far now, and i received a ticket for turning right on red, and the officer manning the dallas pd line states “you have to come to a ‘complete’ stop, or it will do it. great – serving my community while it knowingly screws me over. not to mention that i know another individual who got out of crime after crime associated with doctor shopping and illegal prescription writing for a decade, who engaged to a person who fought and broke a cops arm, that finally had to do time (3 years) and got out only to get hit by a hummer while in a community shuttle and receive over 40 thousand dollars. What is the world coming to – it is like the mob created that for this individual, while it knocks hard working, good people into the ground. thanks a lot Dallas, Texas! you really know how to rip off people and create revenue for your blood sucking leaches. Sick

  136. Insurance and Insurance accessories says:

    The only good reason to install red light ticketing cameras in an area is as an enhancer of revenue. The cameras do nothing to reduce traffic accidents. If you want to do more for traffic safety try adding 1 second to the yellow light burn time. Traffic engineers know this is what is needed but are hog tied by the political hacks making the decisions. As long as your favorite government entities keep spending more than they take in look for more traffic cameras and other revenue enhancers.

  137. Blame the Libs for Cameras says:

    Some are advocating that you should get the 400 plus horsepower engine in the new Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger. When you see yellow just punch it. Burning more gasoline is still less than paying for traffic camera tickets.

  138. papa stoner 69 says:

    these cameras can suck it

  139. W. K. Price says:

    Where in the world do you guys get your information? I know. you make it up to scare people because you are among the goobers that think cameras infringe on some right that you have.
    I would be greatly surprised if you can produce any evidence that redlight cameras increase the number of accidents anywhere.
    If you can find an accident, I’m just going to make wild assumption, the guy that did the hitting, probably from behind, had his head in the clouds. Or he jammed on the gas trying to beat the yellow, rather than, OH MY GOD, prepare to stop. That is what the yellow tells you to do, slow down and prepare to stop.
    Every intersection I know that has a camera mounted has shown a DRASTIC REDUCTION in the number of accidents.
    Please get your facts right…

  140. julie says:

    I was making a right hand turn, I did stop before I made the turn I got flashed, I figured it was a mistake till I got the ticket for running a red light. I am going to fight this ticket I didnt run the red light. I am so maddddd. Has anyone else have had this happen.

  141. Bob says:

    If drivers would slow down when they see a yellow light and stop, the red light cameras would not eeven be an issue. The problem is that people just don’t follow trafic laws since they are in too much of a hurry and think they are entitled to ignore the law. And while they are at it, try using the turn signal, its the stalk sticking out of the left side of your steering colume.

  142. I do agree with all the concepts you’ve presented to your post. They are really convincing and will certainly work. Nonetheless, the posts are too short for beginners. May you please extend them a little from next time? Thank you for the post.

  143. Andrew says:

    Today at 06:20PM I was driving through one of the busy intersections. I was waiting in line of the cars for green arrow. But when I start driving, and already passing the white boarder line I found myself blinded by the sun, and did not see if arrow went yellow or green. I stopped, and then I realize caught myself in situation where behind drivers start honking on me and I don’t remember really my location on the intersection. I decided to finish turn, because they were honking, but I don’t know if I finished turn on yellow, green, or red and stupid camera made my picture. I was safe though, because I looked at both directions and saw that all cars were staying still on crossing lines. It is made me so frustrated, cause ones before I had a camera ticket. I am so paranoid now since I even don’t know did I get ticket or not.

  144. jason says:

    Since the public pays for public signal lights, why did they not have the public vote for stop light cameras that we pay for anyway?

  145. Scattergun says:

    There’s a way to make SURE they don’t work. ;)

  146. YES=THESE CAMERAS ARE “N O GOOD”,THEY AT LEAST MAKE DRIVERS ACT MUCH,MUCH,MORE HERKY JERKY,AND DO 1 OF 2 THINGS,IETHER THE DRIVER’S SPEED UP TO BET THE LIGHT/CAMERA,OR SPEED UP ,THEN REALISE THEY WILL GET ‘SNAPPED’,SUDDENLY “BRAKE” CAUSING REAR ENDED CHAIN REACTION ACCIDENT’S,” T O T T A L Y—-N O —G O O D “,AND ,’YES THE COPS,TOWN’S,ON AND ON,WAN’T MONEY,I’M SURE THE POWERS THAT BE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERYONE “ON BICYCLE’S OR FOOT,WHAT NEXT FORCED TRACKING DEVICE’S ON ALL NEW ,AND MABEY EVEN RETROFITTED ALL VEHICLE’S REGISTERED………….NEW JERSEY FOR ONE,IS THEE WORST…….

  147. Glen Kyle says:

    That is pile of crap!! Red light camara’s are soley responsible for reducing right angle collisions in Edmonton by 48% ; and rear end collisions by over 53 % . Please get your facts right. The only brainless idiots who are opposed to this are the ones that like to speed and run lights and put innocent lives of other motorists in peril. If that’s the case; move to Germany and look for your autobaun there. What a dumb asses red neck thing to suggest- STUPID!!

  148. j jordan says:

    Im not sure why everyone thinks this report is false… its totally believable.. next time you ride down a major highway… watch the tail lights and see how many people will brake just because they see a cop (most of them are barely even doing the speed limit).

  149. Elle says:

    Does the intersection camera still works?

  150. mrfeez says:

    my son has been driving a work van that I signed for at a dealer,
    during a visit to a job site, on the days of 9-11, 9-16,and 9-24-2013, I was issued 3 citations, they all came 15 days later, if this was a police officer who wrote the
    first ticket, I’m sure it would not have happened again, especially at the same turning stop with arrow intersection, (breaks on with a rolling stop), I called the red light violations division, and complained about the lack of sending tickets, they told me they were sorry, but they were sending out another one for the 9-27-13 date, same turn,. this is just not right,
    I went and viewed the same area as shown on the violation movie, well what do you know,
    almost every vehicle that makes that turn, does not completely stop, it’s a crowed intersection during rush hours, mild during the day, but the same for all that go thru this intersection. 111th west, turning right (north) on roberts road, in palos , Illinois, somethings are just not right
    4 tickets – $100.00 each + $400,
    pretty soon we won’t need police officers, look at the money we’ll save ”yea sure”
    I sure would like to know how many tickets were issued during the month of september 2013 at this particular corner, any Ideas how I could find out
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